Presentation (skip and go directly to the “Problem” part if you don’t have time to read everything ): I have been treated for alopecia for about 5 years, (I have 27), I have been taking Propecia for a few years, which was very effective and stopped my fall, but unfortunately I made the mistake of stopping for a year or two which caused my hair to fall out, result when I took propecia again, the front hair didn’t grow back like the first time I took the treatment, I still have a hair implantation on the front (the gulfs are hollowed out on the other hand), the problem is that my front hair is much, much less dense than before, there is less of it which gives a very average aesthetic result, that really bothers me and want to fix it.I want to find a density on the front of the scalp (if some regrowth in the gulfs can appear, so much the better), and that my hair is thicker, much less fine.

Problem: In addition to Propecia, to strengthen my hair, give it a little more density and volume, I recently bought myself Nutricap anti-hair loss, a treatment of 2 capsules per day for 3 months. But here, reading the composition, I wonder if in the end, I would not be in overdose of certain vitamins, iron and zinc, here is the composition and the daily intake of Nutricap:

I already have a relatively balanced diet (I eat a little of everything), although maybe for some of these elements I do not reach 100%. But concretely, since I eat for example a lot of fish (not every day anyway), rich in zinc, if in the end I end up with the 15mg of zinc from nutricap + the zinc provided by the fish, it won’t be fine. problematic ? From what I’ve seen on several sites, the recommended daily dose of zinc for a man is 11mg per day, and the maximum recommended dose is around 40mg. Here are the possible effects of a zinc overdose, but I guess it’s really huge amounts:

And it is surely not recommended also to absorb the other components of nutricap in too large quantities.

But so I wanted to know, concretely, when the sites where I found these side effects talk about overdose, is it for massive doses that I could never reach even with Nutricap + relative good diet? Or I could very well be in overdose, in which case maybe just take a capsule of nutricap, in order to cover my daily intake of its components at 50% and supplement with my diet?

For those who know about hair loss: I also know that zinc acts on the lowering of DHT, but it is not risky to take things other than finasteride which can lower DHT? Finasteride already lowers DHT to the maximum, or with other foods / medoc it can be lowered further? I know that some here take propecia + natural foods to lower DHT, but by lowering it too much, don’t we risk accentuating side effects?

Voila voila, I prefer to inquire and be vigilant rather than gorging myself full of pills at the risk of being in overdose

Thank you for your help  

I’m not sure what to answer, I myself am interested in the answer to this question since I am taking oral treatment for my hair loss. I went on a draconian diet four months ago, I lost almost 8 kilos in a month, and I exercised a lot, but I wasn’t eating enough, one meal a day !!

During the next two months I returned to a healthy diet, and my hair was beautiful. By the third month I lost half of my hair. they fell in a phenomenal way !!!!!!!!!!! Apparently it is due to the shock that my hair suffered following my diet. Vitamin and fiber deficiency, deficiency in fact. My god if I had known …..

And yes it takes three whole months for the hair to react. There I am a forcapil treatment, brewer’s yeast and I bought B6 Bailleul cystine yesterday. I am going to alternate because I am afraid of being in overdose of vitamins.

I would like to try a treatment that is really effective. I do not know myself about it. As for pharmacists, they tell me that there is no treatment more effective than another, it is often the same vitamins , the same products, and of course advise me the treatment that is sold in their establishment.

Why the price differences then !!!! ?? And then I’m patient, I can wait six months for a result, because that’s the period you have to wait to see a difference in density. I’m not talking about the optical effect, I’m talking about actually having more hair, and I would really like to try something worth it. (Personally, brewer’s yeast makes hairs grow everywhere, and hair I do not see too much difference …., the nails also grow very quickly)

moreover, I strongly advise against brushing galore and the straightening iron to prohibit. I had a hair worthy of fairy tales, very long and very dense, and the hair very thick.

today, it’s barely if I dare to look at myself in the mirror. I’ve been brushing myself for years and torturing my hair. I’m really sad about it now. my hairdresser told me to stop immediately, he noticed the same thing as I. I made good resolutions.

On the other hand, does castor oil ring a bell ??? I’ve never tried it, and I would like to hear from me.

kisses my sisters in arms and courage !!!

Me, I had made the approach with vitarmonyl I believe, but the answers are always rather evasive, like, “it is better to take breaks”.

I find that it is not clear enough, we should be able to have concrete answers according to our personal cases.

Food Supplements – Pay attention to the dose!

Dr Paule Nathan (endocrinologist, nutritionist, sports doctor)

Taking food supplements has become commonplace in the sports world.

These products are also enjoying increasing interest in the general population, due to a society where optimization of performance and form is sought. Sales are booming, with more than 15% market development per year. They are assimilated to natural products, therefore devoid of harmfulness. Thus, several products are often consumed concomitantly. This phenomenon must however be taken into account, because these food supplements contain mainly vitamins, minerals, trace elements and proteins, of which the excessive and continuous intake of some can have a deleterious effect on the organism. Few doctors are aware of the megadoses taken by their patients. In addition, the conditions of purchase which develop via the Internet or “under the cloak”in sports halls exclude the guarantees of product quality and safety imposed by European standards.

DEFINITION

In France, the decree of April 15, 1996 had begun to give a definition of food supplements: “Food supplements are products intended to be ingested in addition to the current diet, in order to compensate for the real or supposed insufficiency of intakes. daily. »

The European directive 2002/46 / CE of the Parliament and of the Council of June 10, 2002, relating to the approximation of the laws of the Member States concerning food supplements, was included in the European directive 2006/37 / CE and in the decree 2006- 352 of March 20, 2006 published in the Official Gazette of March 25, 2006. It gave the definition of what was and what should or should not contain a food supplement: “We mean by

food supplements, foodstuffs intended to supplement the normal diet and which constitute a concentrated source of nutrients or other substances having a nutritional or physiological effect, alone or in combination, marketed in the form of doses intended to be taken in units measured in small quantities. »Nutritional supplements and nutritional supplements are food supplements, none of them can have the name of drug.

AUTHORIZED NUTRITIONAL SUBSTANCES

The order of May 9, 2006 gives a positive list of nutritional substances authorized for food supplements:

● vitamins: fat soluble (A, D, E, K) and water soluble (B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B8, B9, B12 and C); vitamin K is excluded;

● minerals and trace elements: calcium, chromium, copper, iron, fluoride, iodine, manganese,

magnesium, molybdenum, phosphorus, potassium, selenium, sodium, zinc, etc.;

● amino acids;

● essential fatty acids;

● antioxidants;

● polyphenols;

● plant extracts: plants whose use is strictly medicinal are excluded, these being subject to the regulation of medicinal products.

LABELING

European legislation requires that the words “food supplement” be clearly mentioned, the substances contained, as well as the daily dose not to be exceeded. European legislation requires harmonization of the labeling of identical products across Europe, for better consumer information. The labeling of food supplements must contain:

● the words “food supplement”;

● the category of nutrients, the supplement and / or the name of the nutrients; the quantity of each nutrient in numerical form and in the form of percentages in relation to the daily ration recommended by health authorities;

● the recommended daily portion of the product and a warning on the health risks if this is exceeded;

● a statement that the supplement is not a substitute for a varied diet;

● the statement “This is not a drug”, when the presentation of the product is comparable to that of a drug;

● a warning that the products should be kept out of the reach of young children.

The labeling of food supplements must not:

● contain statements attributing to the product properties of prevention, treatment or cure of human disease;

● mention that supplements could replace a healthy and balanced diet.

PRODUCTS VERY SUPERVISED AT EUROPEAN LEVEL

When placing a food supplement on the market, the manufacturer or importer

of a product manufactured abroad is required to inform the health surveillance authority of the country where the product will be marketed and must also send it the product labeling.

Member States may not prohibit or restrict trade in food supplements which comply with the Directive and the measures implementing it, unless, on the basis of new data or a new assessment of existing data, they find that the products present a danger to public health. In this case, they inform the other Member States and the European Commission. This, assisted by the Standing Committee on the Food Chain and Animal Health, will give its opinion and decide, if necessary, on the modification of the directive and / or

acts implementing it. The Commission is assisted, in accordance with the regulatory procedure, by the Standing Committee on the Food Chain and Animal Health in implementing the directive. Soon, the Commission will present a report and appropriate measures concerning other categories of nutrients (having a nutritional or physiological effect), used in food supplements, such as essential fatty acids, fibers, plants, aromatic herbs and theirs. extracts, which are not concerned by the 2006 directive.

NEITHER FOOD OR MEDICINAL PRODUCTS

Food supplements defined as food can be presented in ampoules, tablets, capsules, lozenges, sachets. Thus, these presentations

do not give them the name of food within the meaning of Trémolières: “A food is an edible foodstuff that is nourishing, palatable and customary. “

For the official authorities, food supplements are not drugs. They are considered as a complement to the current diet by overcoming the shortcomings of an unbalanced diet. They are considered to have no therapeutic effect. Food supplements should not be confused with supplements based on hormones and anabolics, which are classified in the

category of doping in athletes.

ARE THEY NECESSARY?

Some believe in their virtues, others still doubt, even if many studies and interventions have been made on their interest in medicine and sports medicine, especially in the last decade.

They can be used to overcome deficiencies inducing fatigue with poor recovery. They must accompany the learning of hygienodietetic rules, with limitation of tobacco and alcohol, a correct hydration, the respect of the stages of training to avoid overtraining, the respect of a good hygiene of sleep. In some cases, closer medical monitoring will have to be established.

In intense and high-level sports practices, they are quite justified.For example, in certain sports, the antioxidant system is highly stressed: food supplements allow better recovery and can prevent cell and muscle damage.

ARE THEY RISK-FREE?

For many, the risk of overvitaminosis is considered minimal, their argument being that the vitamins provided by food supplements are not 100% assimilated and that perfect consumer compliance is rare.

But athletes are very observant and, above all, they consume several products at the same time throughout the year, often delivered in sports halls via parallel circuits or ordered via the Internet, that is to say outside any legislation. Some products often contain doses labeled as providing up to 300 to 700% of the RDI (recommended daily allowance), others may contain counterfeits or even impurities. I diagnosed, in an American patient who took supplements, kidney cancer.The study of these supplements revealed the daily consumption of 5 products purchased in the United States and via the Internet, one of which provided 700% more vitamin B12.When we know its powerful role in the cell development of tissues with high multiplication potential such as tumor tissues, we can wonder about the imputability of its treatment.

How many patients do not tell us about their self-medication, because for them it is not about drugs? They also fear our taunts. No study has been done on this population who consume daily food supplements well beyond the RDI.

KNOWN HYPERVITAMINOSES

In food supplements, hypervitaminoses are the best known. The excess in amino acids and proteins is easily detectable and admitted, because the athlete uses them as a more punctual treatment.

It was believed for a long time that the overloads were the result of fat-soluble vitamins and that there was no possibility of overloading the body with water-soluble vitamins because of their ease of elimination. But overload pathologies appear due to excessive consumption.

Vitamin A

Hypervitaminosis A is the result of nutritional errors or the unsafe

intake of vitamin A. Vitamin A overload can induce two tables:

1. Acute hypervitaminosis is rare, it gives signs of hypertension intracranial

 : occipital headache with vomiting, impaired coordination and irritability;

2.Chronic intoxication is more to be feared: the signs are more diffuse, but chronic, such as skin disorders (dry skin easily flaking, pruritus, alopecia, hyperpigmentation), behavioral and neurological disorders such as irritability and tired ;

unexplained diplopia, joint pain, hyperostosis, leukopenia

may witness chronic intoxication; more serious are liver disorders with vomiting, sometimes even the development of cirrhosis; vitamin A can have chronic toxic effects on the liver when administered at doses of 10 to 20 times the ANC; however, there is no overdose for pro-vitamin A.

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Vitamin D

Hypervitaminosis has been described for consumption of doses 10 to 20 times higher than the recommendations. Toxic effects can have serious consequences. Clinically, the picture may be that of acute hypervitaminosis:

● anorexia with nausea and weight loss;

● digestive disorders such as constipation;

● thirst with dehydration;

● polyuropolydipsic syndrome;

● functional renal failure;

● hypercalcemia, hypercalciuria.

In children, there may be a cessation of growth. In the long term, chronic overdose leads to hypercalcemia. Excess calcium in the kidneys and urinary tract can be the cause of nephrocalcinosis or lithiasis with, and

more or less shortly, azotemia with irreversible renal failure. It can also be deposited in tendons, muscles and vascular walls. Fatigability with asthenia and arterial hypertension may be linked to hypercalcemia.

Hypervitaminosis D during pregnancy can cause abnormalities in the child due to the baby’s hypercalcemia.

? Vitamin E

It does not seem that excess vitamin E can be the cause of pathological disorders. Significant biliary excretion seems to protect the body from overdose. But there are few studies on the prolonged use of high doses of vitamin E. Rare accidents have been reported for intakes of the order of 1200 mg / j with increased creatinuria, potentiation of vitamin K accompanied

by hemorrhagic accidents.

Thiamine or vitamin B1

It has very low toxicity. The high dose administration causes a
diuretic effect
preferentially of central origin.

Niacin or vitamin B3

The safety dose was set at 33 mg per day, in addition to the 17 mg provided by

the diet. Can occur, for doses greater than or equal to 100 mg, cutaneous vasodilation with a flush-type reaction, due to the release of histamine. In the long term, hepatotoxicity and cholestatic jaundice can develop. From 750 mg, the toxic effect can damage several organs.

Pyridoxine or vitamin B6

It presents an absorption with very easy passage.In the long term, chronic intake in large quantities, of the order of 2 to 4 g per day in adults, causes peripheral neurotoxic effects with the possibility of purely sensory neuropathy, with ataxia and memory impairment. It is curable when the treatment is stopped. It is considered that there may be signs of neuropathy for doses of 50 mg per day. It takes 6 months for signs of neuropathy to go away, but residual disorders may persist. The safe limit dose, or DLS, is

5 mg per day if there is a daily food intake of 1.9 mg.

Folic acid or vitamin B9

Neurological toxicity can appear from 5 mg / day, the signs being the same as those observed during the deficiency. The safety limit dose was set at 1 mg / day, or 2 to 3 times the ANC. The administration of folic acid can be toxic when it masks a deficiency in vitamin B12, responsible in the long term for irreversible neurological damage.

Cyanocobalamin or vitamin B12

For high dosages, there is a risk of an evolutionary outbreak of a malignant tumor, due to the specific action of vitamin B12 on the growth of tissues with a high

cell multiplication rate.

Vitamin C

The safety dose is set at 500 mg / day. Beyond that, vitamin C overload can be the cause of renal oxalate stones formed from ascorbic acid, and digestive fragility linked to the acidity of ascorbic acid. possible

pro-oxidant activity for doses greater than 500 mg / l. There are no deposits of vitamin C in the body, since above 1 g per day, it is excreted through the urinary tract.

Vitamin C addiction has been shown to exist, with deficiency reactions upon discontinuation of supplementation ingestion.

CONCLUSIONWhether or not we are adept at prescribing food supplements, we cannot deny that our sports patients consume them regularly. It is up to us to supervise them and guide them towards wise choices, by being firm in prohibiting the consumption of products. ordered, via the Internet, to foreign companies, or sold under cover

in sports halls. For these products, there are risks not only that they contain unauthorized substances, but also counterfeits.

These sectors also have the power of strong solicitation to encourage consumption.

other products, like growth hormone! We must know how to question our sports patients, at each consultation, on all the products consumed, so as to detect excess, and provide them with risk prevention information.

Then, for the question of dosage, here are those for the 2 products:

Memory and concentration

Proteins: 0.15 g

Carbohydrates: 0.14 g

lipids: 0.09 g

vitamins:

E: 10 mg

C: 120 mg

B1: 1.4 mg

B2: 1.6 mg

B3: 18 mg

B6: 2 mg

B9: 200 (“a sort of“ h ”backwards, followed by“ g ”;“ microgram ?? ”)

B12: 1 (same as above)

B8: 0.15 mg

B5: 6 mg

Phospholipids –LC: 84 mg

Cola extract: 100 mg

Hair

Protein: 0.12 g

Carbohydrates: 0 g

lipids: 0.54 g

vitamins:

E: 10 mg

C: 60 mg

B6: 2 mg

B8: 0.15

B5: 6 mg

iron: 7 mg

pumpkin seed oil : 300 mg

borage oil: 200 mg

citrus extract: 100 mg

flax extract: 40 mg

nettle extract: 40 mg

do you think there is a risk of overdose? or am I far from it?

You can largely find that in your food …

So my question is just whether I risk the overdose or not.

Nothing that we swallow is without risks, the problem is that most of the undesirable effects, rare but real, of these apparently harmless substances, are completely underestimated and even hidden by companies:

I will give you the example of cystine b6 against hair loss … I took some and voilá that in addition to a beautiful hair regrowth I had as a bonus a beautiful hair regrowth … By reading testimonies I realized that I was not the only one: I called the firm so that the pharmaco vigilance is informed. well, she told me that indeed in the firm there were “noises of corridors” like what it made grow the hair in more of the hair, but they do not put anything on the notice, because they would not sell any more a only box … It’s crazy, in short, I don’t take anything anymore, unless I’m dying.

See you,

Tina

It’s specific to that one.

Now it’s embarrassing, it’s clear.

And to say it, and en masse, in the lab, is good, because if they could find the solution …!

I do not take supplements to compensate for a sloppy diet, I take supplements in addition to a healthy diet (I saw a nutritionist a few years ago). years and I always respect the right principles).

If a healthy and varied diet was enough, believe me, I would have sublime hair and an enormous capacity for concentration, while I know girls who eat very badly and / or very little and who they have beautiful hair.

For focus, I can clearly see the effects, so I have no reason to stop, because I really need it right now.

So all I want to know is if there is a risk of overdose, but ultimately with one of the previous posts, looking at what level the overdose is at, I can see I’m not at risk. .

Hello LORCA

I see that you did not have a response from TINA. I have the same problem, my hairiness started in June and still continues to this day, it is really very annoying: on the cheeks 1.5 cm, on the bottom of the cheeks, under the ears 2.5cm and then also in the neck. The growth is still going on, it’s a disaster !! while I have stopped everything since July. The doctors consulted, about a month ago, told me that all I had to do was look at myself and think that this accentuates growth and causes hair loss, which has not stopped for 1 year. and that no regrowth appears – limit I must go to psychiatry !! but in addition I have it all over my body BRAVO I’m happy because soon bald and bearded and ++++++ And you are you where? has your growth stopped? YouHow long did cystine B6 take and when did you stop?

I wish you good luck See you

soon

rachel